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Author Topic: Anyone know anything about KILL BILL: THE WHOLE BLOODY  (Read 3921 times)
Dalton
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« on: January 09, 2008, 08:26:17 PM »

AFFAIR?

I remember someone posted here several months ago that is was coming out in November.  Was it cancelled or pushed back?  Anyone?
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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2008, 09:42:12 PM »

At this point, we can all believe it when we see it.

In the meantime, producing, remastering, repackaging and rereleasing KILL BILL costs money and The Weinstein Company probably finds itself suddenly short of money for Quentin to indulge himself with.  

I know he's a genius and merely down but not out, but he's probably going to have to wait a little longer than usual before he can push the limits of his talent by turning a scheduled and budgeted two week shoot into an opportunity to sit and drink with his female cast members and extras for a month or two.  Someday, he'll have the opportunity to spend three years shooting a postmodern, grindhouse, martial arts indie drama epic while mainlining ecstasy/Red Bull speedballs chased with Jager shots and writing new dialogue every day, but it won't be any time soon.
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2008, 10:03:32 PM »

Quote from: "Tom K."
At this point, we can all believe it when we see it.

In the meantime, producing, remastering, repackaging and rereleasing KILL BILL costs money and The Weinstein Company probably finds itself suddenly short of money for Quentin to indulge himself with.  

I know he's a genius and merely down but not out, but he's probably going to have to wait a little longer than usual before he can push the limits of his talent by turning a scheduled and budgeted two week shoot into an opportunity to sit and drink with his female cast members and extras for a month or two.  Someday, he'll have the opportunity to spend three years shooting a postmodern, grindhouse, martial arts indie drama epic while mainlining ecstasy/Red Bull speedballs chased with Jager shots and writing new dialogue every day, but it won't be any time soon.


I'm not sure I understand your answer here, but isn't KILL BILL a Miramax/Disney film?
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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2008, 10:23:21 PM »

Amazon had listed it as being released on November 6th, which is what led to all the speculation (the page still has a picture of the proposed box art, although it no longer has a release date), but, to the best of my knowledge, the studio never confirmed it, and I haven't been able to find any updates since the initial wave of reports. It was first reported after the "Grindhouse" debacle, so we can't blame its failure for the lack of progress.

I can imagine that it's a rights issue between Miramax and the Weinsteins, and I don't think QT would want to participate in any extras if the Weinsteins aren't involved.
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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2008, 10:56:50 PM »

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I'm not sure I understand your answer here, but isn't KILL BILL a Miramax/Disney film?

I think the Weinsteins managed to retain the rights to the "Whole Bloody Affair" version.  Once upon a time (unless I misremember) it was actually slated to be one of their inaugural in-theater titles.
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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2008, 11:37:25 PM »

Quote from: "Tom K."

I know he's a genius and merely down but not out, but he's probably going to have to wait a little longer than usual before he can push the limits of his talent by turning a scheduled and budgeted two week shoot into an opportunity to sit and drink with his female cast members and extras for a month or two.  Someday, he'll have the opportunity to spend three years shooting a postmodern, grindhouse, martial arts indie drama epic while mainlining ecstasy/Red Bull speedballs chased with Jager shots and writing new dialogue every day, but it won't be any time soon.


Dude, what the fuck?
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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2008, 12:10:26 AM »

Quote from: "Dalton"
Quote from: "Tom K."
At this point, we can all believe it when we see it.

In the meantime, producing, remastering, repackaging and rereleasing KILL BILL costs money and The Weinstein Company probably finds itself suddenly short of money for Quentin to indulge himself with.  

I know he's a genius and merely down but not out, but he's probably going to have to wait a little longer than usual before he can push the limits of his talent by turning a scheduled and budgeted two week shoot into an opportunity to sit and drink with his female cast members and extras for a month or two.  Someday, he'll have the opportunity to spend three years shooting a postmodern, grindhouse, martial arts indie drama epic while mainlining ecstasy/Red Bull speedballs chased with Jager shots and writing new dialogue every day, but it won't be any time soon.


I'm not sure I understand your answer here, but isn't KILL BILL a Miramax/Disney film?


To answer the most pertinent question:  Yes, the original volumes are Disney, but The Weinstein Company apparently holds the rights to THE WHOLE BLOODY AFFAIR.

As far as my rant goes, there's this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/09/15/sm_quentintarantino.xml&page=1

When you combine that with the circumstantial evidence of DEATH PROOF, one has to wonder if Quentin isn't mostly interested in using film productions as an excuse to hang out, drink and talk with girls.  

From the linked article:

"When writing his characters, Tarantino says he has to fall in love with them a little, and the girls in Death Proof became an infatuation. Even while filming he kept writing more dialogue for them, and at one point, had he not already committed to the Grindhouse idea, he might have just stayed in the bar where Julia and her pals hang out, and let the story unfold differently - perhaps even in the form of a play, rather than a movie."

All I'm saying is that if GRIND HOUSE went over budget, I have a sneaking suspicion that it wasn't because of PLANET TERROR.  Rodriguez has a reputation for bringing in his projects under budget.

I also remember early stories of KILL BILL going overbudget and overs schedule.  While I can't find any of those stories just now, the quote I remember from them involved Tarantino talking about writing and shooting more and more material for the House of Blue Leaves because he wanted to see if he could hit his head on the ceiling of his talent or something like that.

It's with that and a grain of salt that I take this morsel from Tarantino's Wikipedia page:

"In a recent Playboy interview, he talks of smoking cannabis and using ecstasy while filming Kill Bill..."

Well, so long as he's enjoying himself.  I just harbor doubts that he's the most focused or frugal of filmmakers.
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2008, 12:23:23 AM »

Quote from: "Tom K."
All I'm saying is that if GRIND HOUSE went over budget, I have a sneaking suspicion that it wasn't because of PLANET TERROR.  Rodriguez has a reputation for bringing in his projects under budget.


Historically, yes, but Robert Rodriguez also had a meltdown during PLANET TERROR filming.  They had to shut down for weeks, and the Weinstein Brothers actually had to go down to Texas to straigthen him out.  I think the blame for GRINDHOUSE's budget can be laid at both Tarantino's and Rodriguez's feet.

Also, there's no way that DEATH PROOF was ever planned to be a two-week schedule.  No damn way.
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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2008, 12:25:06 AM »

Well, he can do that without being on a film set.

I'd give him the benefit of the doubt on enjoying himself on a film set. That's just his character.
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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2008, 12:26:05 AM »

Someone elaborate on the Rodriguez meltdown.
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« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2008, 12:27:39 AM »

Didn't it have something to do with his wife and Rose?  Him fucking one and not the other?
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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2008, 12:32:01 AM »

Quote from: "Tom K."
I also remember early stories of KILL BILL going overbudget and overs schedule.  While I can't find any of those stories just now, the quote I remember from them involved Tarantino talking about writing and shooting more and more material for the House of Blue Leaves because he wanted to see if he could hit his head on the ceiling of his talent or something like that.


Wasn't KILL BILL like a legendarily difficult shoot? I remember a lot of stories from the time about how long it was taking to get through production.
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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2008, 08:14:28 AM »

Quote from: "Matt"
Quote from: "Tom K."
All I'm saying is that if GRIND HOUSE went over budget, I have a sneaking suspicion that it wasn't because of PLANET TERROR.  Rodriguez has a reputation for bringing in his projects under budget.


Historically, yes, but Robert Rodriguez also had a meltdown during PLANET TERROR filming.  They had to shut down for weeks, and the Weinstein Brothers actually had to go down to Texas to straigthen him out.  I think the blame for GRINDHOUSE's budget can be laid at both Tarantino's and Rodriguez's feet.


That's a very good point.  

Some part of me hopes that Peter Biskind writes a sequel to "Down & Dirty Pictures."  GRINDHOUSE alone would probably merit multiple chapters.  



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Also, there's no way that DEATH PROOF was ever planned to be a two-week schedule.  No damn way


I was referring to a fictional, hypothetical future Tarantino project for the purpose of exaggeration.
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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2008, 09:02:43 AM »

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All I'm saying is that if GRIND HOUSE went over budget, I have a sneaking suspicion that it wasn't because of PLANET TERROR. Rodriguez has a reputation for bringing in his projects under budget.

he filmed in the texas chili parlor for weeks.  i work near there and they were in there for so long that i figured it would be the entire movie.  i can definitely see tarantino just hanging out in there causing the delay.
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"In a recent Playboy interview, he talks of smoking cannabis and using ecstasy while filming Kill Bill..."

he recently got thrown out of a club where my friend works for doing coke right out in the open.  so i don't doubt any of that story either.

as for the rodriguez meltdown, it had to do with his wife catching him cheating on her and he had a major meltdown over it.  he started breaking things and kicked a big scaffold where a guy was working and the dude fell down and broke his leg (i think it was his leg), anyway, they shut down production on planet terror for a little while over that.
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« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2008, 10:07:01 AM »

Tarantino does coke?  That's...quite shocking.  And by shocking I actually mean the opposite of shocking.
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