Obama Fan Club Thread

[chrisb]

Hilarious. You have to be a nut to blatantly add your own garbage to someone else's quote.

I'd like to think it's an honest mistake: a person stating their personal belief "I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy" and intending the MLK quote to be read as a separate, relevant piece.  Twitter being what it is, it all gets truncated together, and the retweeting begins.

[ExpendablesFan]

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy" - Brain dead Hippie. Another quote from the same guy. "The worst thing to ever happen to me was that time 9/11 harshed my mellow."

[LpF]

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy" - Brain dead Hippie

Is he brain dead for having those sentiments, or brain dead for falsely attributing them to MLKJr?

[ExpendablesFan]

Is he brain dead for having those sentiments, or brain dead for falsely attributing them to MLKJr?

For being oblivious to the world.

[LpF]

For being oblivious to the world.

You're going to have to be a bit more specific.

Also, after reading that article I can totally see whoever it was meaning to say his thoughts, then quote MLKJr separately in the same Facebook status, and having it eventually get combined. Stuff like that happens a lot.  It's kind of the social-networking version of the telephone game.

[chrisb]

The MLK quote: "Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that", isn't exactly that far off in sentiment from the "I will not rejoice in the death of...an enemy" sentence.

Was MLK an oblivious, brain dead hippie, too?  Why are you so offended by this?  It really bothers you that much?

[nate.3.0]

Ooh, I want to play!

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. Always aim at complete harmony of thought and word and deed. Always aim at purifying your thoughts and everything will be well.” - Mahatma Gandhi

[ExpendablesFan]

The MLK quote: "Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that", isn't exactly that far off in sentiment from the "I will not rejoice in the death of...an enemy" sentence.

Was MLK an oblivious, brain dead hippie, too?  Why are you so offended by this?  It really bothers you that much?

I'm glad to see you really have no problem putting words in MLK's mouth too.

I think it's only easy to not rejoice in the death of an enemy when you deep down don't really give a shit about what the person did to become an enemy. It is also dripping in implied superiority over people who do, which is what really bothers me about that line.  

[nate.3.0]

I think it's only easy to not rejoice in the death of an enemy when you deep down don't really give a shit about what the person did to become an enemy.

“Death is a natural part of life. Rejoice for those around you who transform into the Force. Mourn them do not. Miss them do not. Attachment leads to jealously. The shadow of greed, that is. There is always inequality in life. Some men are killed in a war and some men are wounded and some men never leave the country. Life is unfair.” - John F. Kennedy

[sean]

What Wolfe said.

What Randy repeated Wolfe saying.

[chrisb]

I'm glad to see you really have no problem putting words in MLK's mouth too.

What words am I putting in MLK's mouth?

I think it's only easy to not rejoice in the death of an enemy when you deep down don't really give a shit about what the person did to become an enemy.

The Dalai Lama is in L.A. this week.  You should stop by and yell at him for smiling so damn much.  Once he starts babbling about compassion and humility, or quoting Gandhi, or whatever shit he just rambles on about, slap him.  And don't stop slapping him until he declares "Fuck it boys, we're going to China.  Vengeance, and Tibet is ours!"

It is also dripping in implied superiority over people who do, which is what really bothers me about that line.

Do you honestly think that Steve B, in quoting that here, was trying to imply his superior stance over you?  That's an awful lot of projection.

[ExpendablesFan]

Can I just say that I've never felt dumber than right now. Posting about this does nothing but annoy me but I keep doing it for some reason. Like I'm going to change people's minds or something. I'm going to stop now that I've had this self-reflective moment.

[sean]

The Dalai Lama is in L.A. this week.  

I don't think this comparison tracks; for it to make more sense, bin laden would be the hugely powerful country (like America) and the Dalai Lama would be the Osama equivalent, only he's smart enough to know that there's literally nothing he can do against such a powerful enemy, and he's just glad just to be alive even with no possessions, because he's so damned Buddhist about life.  I think Jordy's point, if over-stated, has a lot of truth to it -- the Dalai Lama has basically never known what was taken from him.

Do you honestly think that Steve B, in quoting that here, was trying to imply his superior stance over you?  That's an awful lot of projection.

I think it's pretty obviously where that quote originates from in general, though I wouldn't go so far as to accuse Steve B specifically.  People are saying, "Hey, if you want to be glad he's dead, that's cool, I'll be over here chillin' with my main man MLK Jr!"  MLK Jr also being a pretty bad comparison because, again, the circumstances aren't really comprable.

I mean, is there some feasible way that America could've acted like MLK Jr, the Dalai Lama, or Gandhi?  I really don't think so, I think a vital part of their strategy was the fact that they were hopelessly outnumbered.  Osama is the one who should've acted more like them.  His actions were the actions that drove what happened, ours were merely the only possible response (and the best-rendered version of that response).

What words am I putting in MLK's mouth?

I believe you just answered LPf's last question to Jordy.

[DerickA]

Heh, LpF ruins America's proudest moment.

[LpF]

I think it's only easy to not rejoice in the death of an enemy when you deep down don't really give a shit about what the person did to become an enemy.

And in the next sentence you call someone else out for acting superior?  You need to calm down the rhetoric some.

I believe you just answered LPf's last question to Jordy.

I don't get it.  He literally wasn't putting words in MLKJr's mouth in that instance.  He drew connections between the anonymous add-on and the actual MLKJr quote, but that was the extent of it.

But then, I obviously never gave a shit about 9/11 because I didn't go apeshit with joy at ObL's death.  I'm probably a braindead hippie, too.

EDIT: The more I think about this, the more angry I get.  Jordy...you crossed a line.  That's an intense accusation to make, if you ask me.