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« on: July 13, 2012, 12:05:51 PM » |
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Yeah, I cliff note'd what happened. But it just seemed really hacky and unnecessarily brutal. And worst of all, it held no weight whatsoever.... which is a shame for the death of a favorite character that's really been around since the beginning.
But everything out of Negan's mouth was just horribly written. I mean, this was a real line of dialogue: “So I’m now going to beat the holy fuck fucking fuckedy fuck out of one of you with my bat.”
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BrianLynch
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2012, 12:13:39 PM » |
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The thing that was weird was that THAT was what was considered a 100th issue. Like, a 100 covers, a big celebration, and it features, literally, our leads on the ground tied up, saying almost NOTHING, and then arguably the most likable character getting hit with a bat covered in barbed wire. His head, dented, his eye hanging out, he's calling to his pregnant wife for help, and then he gets his jaw smashed off.
His face was literally ground beef by the end of the issue. And then, that was it.
I get setting up a villain, but who gives a shit about this guy? Save the 100th issue for how they deal with him...unless they think the main draw of this book is "who can we surprise people by killing, in the worst way possible." I kinda like when the good guys actually figure something out. The FEAR THE HUNTERS arc is my favorite because the heroes were presented with some horrible obstacles, but actually figured out a way to handle things. It didn't seem exploitative, "oh look, we're killing X" (even though they did kill a beloved character in that arc, as well). I get that this is building towards something, but it all feels done-before and lame and being shocking for the sake of being shocking.
That said, people love this issue and the reviews are great. Also, Kirkman has certainly written better comic books than me, so what do I know?
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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2012, 12:44:37 PM » |
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So, was Kirkman just thinking, "Well, we need a new Governor"?
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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2012, 12:57:22 PM » |
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Felt exactly like that.
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2012, 03:55:32 PM » |
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That's a shame. At the end of the last trade, I was torn -- I thought there was a lot of potential in the setup, but it looked like they were going with "another Governor". I was hoping that Kirkman had learned his lesson but, unfortunately, everything I'm seeing on-line in build up to this season plus the fact that they're doing a series of novels about the Gov actually suggests that they do, in fact, think the Govneror is a good thing.
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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2012, 03:15:28 PM » |
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I feel half of Kirkmans success as a comic writer lies in his ability to make characters in fantastical situations make logically human decisions and change and learn in a natural way, Governor works only if you feel that in such a societal collapse people would rally around a sociopath.
The other half of Kirkman's succes lies in the relish in which he puts the actual consequences of violence in your face, yes, most superman punches end up in exploding meat, yes, humans rally around butchers, and when you kill someone with a bat infront of people to prove a point (like people have done from time to time in recent history or Siria in the news) you are shocked at the degradation and cruelty infront of you, it's not usually against a bright source of light that would make everything else seem like shadows.
If I have a problem is that it's once again taking the most depressing route by letting Rick believably make the wrong choice of going back to the other settlement instead of holing up and preparing for an attack. Negan is armed with mostly melee weapons (that's what makes him scarier than the governor) and would've probably been easily picked out from the rooftops once the knocked the fence down with his truck. Of course there's no way Rick could've known that and you can't really blame him for choosing to run with his son when the last siege he endured ended up so horribly.
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sean
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2012, 03:39:39 PM » |
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I feel half of Kirkmans success as a comic writer lies in his ability to make characters in fantastical situations make logically human decisions and change and learn in a natural way, Governor works only if you feel that in such a societal collapse people would rally around a sociopath.
I feel like his weakness as a writer (even if it also accounts for his success) is the way he handles stuff that is designed to be "cool". Michonne works for me, but I know there are people who feel like she's the beginning of the book going more cartoonish, and I can't exactly disagree. Invincible is at its worst when he's trying for this, but I tend to find the art more appealing, so it overcomes it more too. His strength, I think, is that he writes the best complications in the business. Something happens, and it's interesting on its own but you can also see "Wow, there are all sorts of ways that this could mess things up in the next arc." [One of my problems with the way he killed the baby was that it seemed to me like trying to keep a baby alive during a zombie apocalypse was a brilliant complication that could serve up a variety of things.] |
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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2012, 04:17:06 PM » |
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I feel like his weakness as a writer (even if it also accounts for his success) is the way he handles stuff that is designed to be "cool". Michonne works for me, but I know there are people who feel like she's the beginning of the book going more cartoonish, and I can't exactly disagree. Invincible is at its worst when he's trying for this, but I tend to find the art more appealing, so it overcomes it more too.
He's sort of like Bendis where he TELLS YOU what's cool when he puts it infront of you, but usually I agree. I read a few comics, but Kirkman's are usually the ones I can't wait to read even if they're not as good as other stuff. He is pretty cartoony, but I don't mind, it's kinda like manga in the sense you grow accustomed to what he brings each month, he always worries about bringing something interesting each issue. |
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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2012, 05:11:23 PM » |
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I can't imagine Walking Dead month to month. The trades don't even indicate where one issue becomes another, and half the time I can't tell.
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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2012, 12:04:06 PM » |
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« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2012, 06:19:18 PM » |
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I bet it's Robo, that story should've paid off a while ago.
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« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2012, 10:21:32 PM » |
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I'd bet on Allen.
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