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« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2012, 08:43:23 AM »

Zuh?

Retarded.
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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2012, 08:48:47 AM »

There is no way for me to disagree with you more. Even the name "Worf." Like a silly pet. And his sissy son. Blech.

Michael Dorn was hilarious as Worf, especially once he got to DS9.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Y5KsEptTY&t=0m33s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N86icfWM03g&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zweQgrLjh_s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YaTlkmjy-Y&feature=related&t=0m43s
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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2012, 12:41:35 PM »

I think a lot of the Trekkies in the first movie are the kinds of fans that are more fans of the world building and logistics of how things in that world worked more than the characters or stories or action.

The truth is after 40 plus years, it was hard for me to get into Star Trek because there wasn't a place for me to dive in and not feel like I was missing a bunch of stuff. JJ's Star Trek is the perfect in. I've gone back and watched a bunch of the movies and some of the television stuff and it's much clearer to me. JJ did a good job of presenting the characters and hook of Star Trek in a dynamic way that stays true to the core of what it is and gets you excited to see the original stuff. At least it was for me.
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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2012, 01:01:31 PM »

There is no way for me to disagree with you more. Even the name "Worf." Like a silly pet. And his sissy son. Blech.

That's all writing stuff.  TNG Worf is mostly really badly written, but Dorn manages to make it all seem like one guy.

And I think if we're talking about the distinction between every Star Trek in between the original and the new one, I don't think "the names are sillier" is really true.

His son, on the other hand, I would agree is symptomatic of the general problem with TNG.  I like the show more than you do, but it is definitely the major reason that 'Star Trek' evolved toward the dead end that it had reached pre-Abrams.  What's weird to me is that, for me, the first movie also hits a lot of the same bad notes, but I know you like that one.  That may just be an age thing, though, since I think your age seeing the first movie in theaters would've been about my age the first time I saw Data.

This scene always makes me think of my experience re-watching TNG reruns as an adult, because quite a few times, a concept I remembered from a kid would show up, and I'd be excited, and then the episode would be like this... and then, like this, Worf would provide some salvage.  (Seriously, out of context this clip contains virtually everything that the show does wrong within two minutes; only an appearance by Wesley is missing.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x012BnKWi3g
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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2012, 05:19:46 PM »

JJ's Star Trek is the perfect in. I've gone back and watched a bunch of the movies and some of the television stuff and it's much clearer to me. JJ did a good job of presenting the characters and hook of Star Trek in a dynamic way that stays true to the core of what it is and gets you excited to see the original stuff. At least it was for me.
Well said.
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