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« Reply #45 on: December 01, 2011, 02:38:53 PM » |
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While I don't agree with their still blaming the WM3, when I was watching the first two movies, I couldn't help but feel bad for the parents of the victims since both movies focus so much more heavily on the gruesome details of the murders and the potential suspects. The fact that at the heart of it is a group of children who were tortured and killed really gets lost among everything else.
The movies are very graphic. We're told exactly what happened to the boys, and are shown the most horrific crime scene footage and pictures I've ever seen. To soft pedal what happened would be a disservice to the victims. Their story is certainly told. The movies concern themselves first with the crime, then with the falsely accused. One is an atrocity that happened, the other was an atrocity that was ongoing for 18 years and needed to be stopped. I hope that the Moores will one day have the clarity to know that an injustice took place. I can't criticize them or anything they do because I can't imagine being the parent of a murdered 8 year old. |
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« Reply #46 on: January 11, 2012, 11:17:47 AM » |
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Steve B
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« Reply #48 on: January 20, 2012, 10:58:43 AM » |
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I watched Paradise Lost 1 and 3 back to back over 2 nights.
Amazing. They obviously focused on Damian mostly, poor guy got convicted because he was a weirdo and just looked and acted like he probably did it. Jessie confessed to it, so it's not hard to understand how a jury in that town at that time could have convicted him.
But I REALLY felt bad for Jason. From what was shown in the movies there was ZERO evidence against him circumstantial or not. NOTHING other then he was friends with Damian.
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« Reply #50 on: January 20, 2012, 11:38:44 AM » |
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I watched Paradise Lost 1 and 3 back to back over 2 nights.
Amazing. They obviously focused on Damian mostly, poor guy got convicted because he was a weirdo and just looked and acted like he probably did it. Jessie confessed to it, so it's not hard to understand how a jury in that town at that time could have convicted him.
But I REALLY felt bad for Jason. From what was shown in the movies there was ZERO evidence against him circumstantial or not. NOTHING other then he was friends with Damian.
There was just as much evidence against Jason as there was Damien. That is to say none. It's heartening and moving to see Jason's Facebook page. Pictures of him at concerts, having snowball fights in Seattle, and acting goofy. This time last year I never would have imagined. |
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You had me at meat tornado.
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« Reply #51 on: January 20, 2012, 11:40:41 AM » |
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Something to hype up the movie so it sells at Sundance? ETA: Woah, nevermind. That dude did seem mad creepy in PL3. |
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« Reply #52 on: January 20, 2012, 11:47:52 AM » |
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If it turns out that he did it, I honestly have to say that I'm surprised Byers evidently had no involvement.
Likewise, who the fuck was "Mr. Bojangles" then if it was Terry Hobbs?
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« Reply #53 on: January 20, 2012, 11:53:56 AM » |
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There was just as much evidence against Jason as there was Damien. That is to say none.
Sure there was no real evidence against Damian but the Prosecution made a case for him. It was a dumb case but they tried. The case they made against him was that he was into the occult, wore black, he was an outsider, he was weird, had satanic writings and books, he changed his name to the main character of the Omen. Stupid ass case but the jury bought into it at the time. But there wasn't even a pretend case against Jason. The ONLY thing they had was he was friends with Damian. And the confession of Jessie which wasn't even part of there case but the jury considered it anyway. |
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« Reply #54 on: January 20, 2012, 11:56:03 AM » |
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If it turns out that he did it, I honestly have to say that I'm surprised Byers evidently had no involvement.
Really? You really think Byers had any involvement. |
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« Reply #55 on: January 20, 2012, 11:57:16 AM » |
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Well, they did have that one witness who specifically said that Jason confessed to him. He was lying, and evidently he admits he was lying in "West of Memphis," but they had that, too. Whoever that dude was testified at trial.
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« Reply #56 on: January 20, 2012, 11:59:21 AM » |
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Really? You really think Byers had any involvement.
Well, no, not anymore. But even if you go back to PARADISE LOST 2, they make a compelling case for Byers at that time. And there's also the fact that he's crazy. I used to think it was him, like a lot of people did, but not since all this Hobbs stuff has been trickling out over the last few years. |
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« Reply #57 on: January 20, 2012, 12:00:28 PM » |
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I can remember back in 1997 seeing Paradise Lost and scrambling to the internet to get more information and get involved. At the time there was very little interest. It's really amazing how very slowly the case began to enter the national conciseness. You really have to thank Trey Parker, Henry Rollins, Eddie Vedder Johnny Depp and that Natalie Maines.
It looks like Hobbs really did it. As I understand it, the only avenue of the guys now is getting exonerated by the Governor of Arkansas. At one point it was unthinkable, but now that the tide of public support has turned, who knows?
I felt kind of bad for Berlinger and Sinofsky watching 3. It was clear that several participants from the earlier films (Pam Hobbs, Lori Davis, some of the original attorneys) refused to participate because of the Jackson film (the trailer is amazing). Really without Berlinger and Sinofsky there never would have been any kind of WM3 movement.
Though, in retrospect, 2 is pretty embarrassing and not very good. They build a case against Byers that is non-existent.
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« Reply #58 on: January 20, 2012, 12:04:40 PM » |
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There are a few shots in the "West of Memphis" trailer that are in "Paradise Lost 3" that aren't news footage and stuff. So I'm wondering if there wasn't some kind of collaboration between the two camps.
On one hand I think I'd be annoyed if I were Berlinger and Sinofsky, but on the other hand - the boys are free, so who cares? I don't know. I have mixed feelings.
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« Reply #59 on: January 20, 2012, 12:11:19 PM » |
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There are a few shots in the "West of Memphis" trailer that are in "Paradise Lost 3" that aren't news footage and stuff. So I'm wondering if there wasn't some kind of collaboration between the two camps.
On one hand I think I'd be annoyed if I were Berlinger and Sinofsky, but on the other hand - the boys are free, so who cares? I don't know. I have mixed feelings.
I know Berlinger and Sinfosky approached Pam Hobbs and were told she has signed an agreement with the Jackson camp not to participate in any other WM3 projects. Kinda weird, but as you say the guys are free and nothing else really matters. |
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