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« Reply #45 on: October 01, 2009, 10:01:35 PM » |
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Boy, they're really going out of their way to show that Jim's in over his head, huh?
It felt poorly written, Jim would never make that move publically, especially after the birthday cake episode. |
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« Reply #46 on: October 02, 2009, 05:48:18 AM » |
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Boy, they're really going out of their way to show that Jim's in over his head, huh?
Something seemed a little off on last night's episode. Can't put my finger on it though. |
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« Reply #47 on: October 02, 2009, 01:56:56 PM » |
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Something seemed a little off on last night's episode. Can't put my finger on it though.
Jim became, in the space of two episodes, Stringer Bell. |
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« Reply #48 on: October 02, 2009, 02:00:32 PM » |
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Jim became Charles?
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« Reply #49 on: October 02, 2009, 02:47:45 PM » |
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Jim became Charles?
Yeah. He was acting like the boss who he hated working under. After weaseling into the position, he immediately started in treating Michael like Charles did. I have a very good friend who is like this. He's an awesome guy, but if you give him a position of authority, he immediately turns into a different kind of person. |
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« Reply #50 on: October 03, 2009, 03:28:25 PM » |
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Yeah. He was acting like the boss who he hated working under. After weaseling into the position, he immediately started in treating Michael like Charles did.
I have a very good friend who is like this. He's an awesome guy, but if you give him a position of authority, he immediately turns into a different kind of person.
Thats what you are supposed to do. I'm a manager at my job and I am a different person inside work than I am out. From experience, 99% of people dont work well for a fun, friendly manager, its unfortunate, but its the way it is. You have to find the balance. What Jim is doing is perfectly normal and more realistic. He's getting married, he's got a kid on the way, and he's trying to take responsibility. He's now equally as responsible as Michael, and has to prove to upper management that his position is necessary by making sure there are some improvements. He's also trying to do it in the way he feels is the fairest.Jim has always called out Michael on wasting time with the pointless meetings, and if i recall correctly, even walked out of a few of them. I dont really see any parallels to Charles other than the fact that he's taking his job seriously. Which is something he's always done anyway. Sure he enjoys messing with people, but he's always been good at his job, and done it well. His brittish counterpart turned into WAY more of a dick when he was promoted. |
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« Reply #51 on: October 04, 2009, 01:32:51 PM » |
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So, did they ever actually make a decision on who got the raises?
It seemed like the camera-work was a lot shakier this episode for some reason. I thought it made sense in Jim's office, since it's so cramped in there, but the camera was shaking all over the place tonight. What was Jim's office before it was an office? I feel like we've never seen that room before.
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« Reply #52 on: October 04, 2009, 01:37:30 PM » |
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So, did they ever actually make a decision on who got the raises?
It seemed like the camera-work was a lot shakier this episode for some reason. I thought it made sense in Jim's office, since it's so cramped in there, but the camera was shaking all over the place tonight. What was Jim's office before it was an office? I feel like we've never seen that room before.
I second all of this. It felt like a DVD extra episode or something. Much smaller and not polished, and characters didn't act like they usually do. Not just Jim. |
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« Reply #53 on: October 04, 2009, 07:00:51 PM » |
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So, did they ever actually make a decision on who got the raises?
It seemed like the camera-work was a lot shakier this episode for some reason. I thought it made sense in Jim's office, since it's so cramped in there, but the camera was shaking all over the place tonight. What was Jim's office before it was an office? I feel like we've never seen that room before.
Jim's office is a new addition in the corner where Creed's desk used to be, and Devon and Martin's when they were on the show for like an episode. That's why Creed was sitting across from Meredith in this episode. After much nagging by my sister, I finally started watching the show this summer. After the first disc or so of Season Two, I decided to buy the whole series and caught up in time for Season Six. This is the first time I've watched a weekly TV show as it airs in five years. |
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« Reply #54 on: October 04, 2009, 08:56:36 PM » |
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Thats what you are supposed to do.
No, that's what people who should not be in charge THINK that's what you're supposed to do. |
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« Reply #55 on: October 04, 2009, 08:58:51 PM » |
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No, that's what people who should not be in charge THINK that's what you're supposed to do.
Thats what somebody who doesnt know anything about being an effective manager THINKS |
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« Reply #56 on: October 05, 2009, 01:05:43 PM » |
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Thats what somebody who doesnt know anything about being an effective manager THINKS
I won't argue with you over such broad generalities, but I just tend to think the best managers understand the dynamic of a group of people and have an "everybody gets out alive" prime directive, because ultimately, it is all just a job. (Unless you're in some life or death business like firefighting or medicine) The best managers allow for the perception that they are lenient (on stuff that doesn't ultimately matter) and stand up for the people under them as defining characteristics, so when those occasions arise where they are not lenient or where they need to make a sacrifice play, they are given the benefit of the doubt from those not being penalized/chewed out, for morale. |
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« Reply #57 on: October 05, 2009, 01:36:08 PM » |
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The best managers allow for the perception that they are lenient (on stuff that doesn't ultimately matter) and stand up for the people under them as defining characteristics, so when those occasions arise where they are not lenient or where they need to make a sacrifice play, they are given the benefit of the doubt from those not being penalized/chewed out, for morale.
Wrong. Sometimes. I've studied and believed in TQM for years (if not a decade), but what it comes down to is, what business you are in, who you manage, and how your business turns a profit. I had to change my perception of what a manager is as soon as I started being an assisted living home administrator. Different management styles are needed for different lines of work. In my experience, there are no maxims for managers. |
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« Reply #58 on: October 05, 2009, 01:39:58 PM » |
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You guys need to manage your way to the Flag Pole!
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« Reply #59 on: October 05, 2009, 01:56:11 PM » |
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Wrong.
Sometimes.
Different management styles are needed for different lines of work. In my experience, there are no maxims for managers.
Yeah, I think it is silly (or at least fruitless) to argue so much in the abstract. I would submit that Jim, as presented, however, was being a crappy manager and workmate. The whole storyline rubbed me the wrong way; the secret meeting with Wallace, the sense of entitlement based on no real proven ability to lead or manage, etc. |
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