BrianLynch
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« Reply #90 on: February 08, 2012, 12:34:31 AM » |
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What else can't we talk about?
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Steve B
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« Reply #91 on: February 08, 2012, 12:40:36 AM » |
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Radioland Murders?
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BrianLynch
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« Reply #92 on: February 08, 2012, 12:42:30 AM » |
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I tried to see it IN the theater, and I got there late, so I had to settle for my stupid second choice, which was PULP FICTION. I'm kinda glad I went with that one.
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Wolfe
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« Reply #93 on: February 08, 2012, 12:49:42 AM » |
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Comparable story: I tried to see SHOWGIRLS on opening night and was the only one in my group not 17 yet, so they wouldn't me in. I was forced to see something else because I didn't drive and my friends didn't want to not see boobs, so I had to settle for SEVEN. I caught flak for a week about having to see a Brad Pitt movie instead of naked Jessie Spano, but before long, everyone had to grudgingly concede that I ultimately won on that fateful night.
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JCEFalconi
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« Reply #94 on: February 08, 2012, 01:51:30 AM » |
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Love it or hate it, just deal. Pretend the prequels don't exist, but don't make comments like "He's my least favorite person who is involved with my most favorite things." As Brian said... none of it would exist if it wasn't for him and him alone.
I think context, being surrounded by the right artists while still being humble enough to listen to sound advice had something to do with it too. He had an idea a bunch of much more talented people ran away with, saying he's the sole person responsible for it does a disservice to them. And saying that him being exec producer gives him all the credit is almost like saying Bob Evans should have the right to recut The Godfather films becuase he was the one responsible for starting the project. Lucas has the legal right to do whatever he wants with his property and everyone else has the right to think he's a clown for carrying on the way he has. |
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Andy F
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« Reply #95 on: February 08, 2012, 02:08:13 AM » |
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This is a ridiculous argument. Lucas created STAR WARS, it's his, not yours. He did what he wanted to do with it. Love it or leave it (or love part of it).
Times change, people change. He's not the same person he was 30 years ago, neither are you. You know what my kids favorite STAR WARS movies are? Attack of the Clones and Jedi (his least favorite is Empire). Kids love the prequels, he's doing something right. Not right by the fanboys but right by the kids.
See I'd be okay with that if it wasn't for the ridiculous 1984esque way he's changed the original trilogy to try and fit in more with the prequels, while continuing to insist that he had the entire thing planned out from the beginning. Weirdest memory about the Phantom Menace was my mate "loaning" me the video and then flat out refusing to take it back. Think I've still got it in the attic actually. |
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DerickA
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« Reply #96 on: February 08, 2012, 02:24:06 AM » |
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Comparable story: I tried to see SHOWGIRLS on opening night and was the only one in my group not 17 yet, so they wouldn't me in. I was forced to see something else because I didn't drive and my friends didn't want to not see boobs, so I had to settle for SEVEN. I caught flak for a week about having to see a Brad Pitt movie instead of naked Jessie Spano, but before long, everyone had to grudgingly concede that I ultimately won on that fateful night.
Every story you tell ends in my mind with you making that smiling face you made when you took a picture with Norm McDonald. |
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Wolfe
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« Reply #97 on: February 08, 2012, 02:28:00 AM » |
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Every story you tell ends in my mind with you making that smiling face you made when you took a picture with Norm McDonald.
That might literally be the only time in my life I've ever smiled like that. |
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ExpendablesFan
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« Reply #98 on: February 08, 2012, 02:35:08 AM » |
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Comparable story: I tried to see SHOWGIRLS on opening night and was the only one in my group not 17 yet, so they wouldn't me in. I was forced to see something else because I didn't drive and my friends didn't want to not see boobs, so I had to settle for SEVEN. I caught flak for a week about having to see a Brad Pitt movie instead of naked Jessie Spano, but before long, everyone had to grudgingly concede that I ultimately won on that fateful night.
There was a kid in our school who claimed to have gotten into Showgirls but he couldn't answer any questions about it and made up obviously not real things. 'Jessie Spano has HUGE KNOCKERS!' He quickly became known only as the guy who lied about seeing Showgirls. He had to move. |
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Steve Lilley
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« Reply #99 on: February 08, 2012, 06:28:58 AM » |
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All I'm saying is he is in touch with what kids want
Space trading discrepancies and the blockade of trade routes. |
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Luke Erik
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« Reply #100 on: February 08, 2012, 06:35:03 AM » |
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Hand to God there was a kid in my school who said he had tickets to the Bud Bowl.
The prequels gave us some pretty great things, mostly Battlefront.
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Randy
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You had me at meat tornado.
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« Reply #101 on: February 08, 2012, 06:35:49 AM » |
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Space trading discrepancies and the blockade of trade routes.
And child slavery. Woah maybe George Lucas and Newt Gingrich are the same person! |
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« Reply #102 on: February 08, 2012, 06:38:22 AM » |
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He INVENTED toy merchandising for christ sakes. He made his fortune because he held onto those rights because he knew kids, he knew what they wanted and as much as we hate it, he still knows. I don't know, that's making him sound super-prescient, instead of just lucky and optimistic. The studio let him keep the merchandising rights because they knew that it would take a year after the movie was out before the toys could be ready, and felt that it was basically unprecedented for a movie to still be popular enough for that to be worthwhile, especially a movie they knew would not be a hit like 'Star Wars'. It's not as if Lucas came in and said, "Boys, here's what we're gonna do... action figures!" and all the suits just scratched their head. Kids love the prequels, he's doing something right. I feel like it's unlikely that I have to explain this to you, but kids like a lot of shit. This argument always seems to ignore the fact that the first one appealed to children and lots of adults, whereas the second one appealed to children. So, yes, if you want to say "It was never meant to appeal to adults," that's fine, but it did. Some 'Star Wars' movies do appeal to adults and some don't, but it's silly to try and stop a conversation between adults by saying "You were never meant to enjoy any of them anyway! They're for kids!" Love it or hate it, just deal. Pretend the prequels don't exist, but don't make comments like "He's my least favorite person who is involved with my most favorite things." As Brian said... none of it would exist if it wasn't for him and him alone. [/quote] |
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Dobbin
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« Reply #103 on: February 08, 2012, 06:43:28 AM » |
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Look, I love a lot of things that George Lucas made possible. DAY OF THE TENTACLE. SAM AND MAX. RAIDERS. But there's a difference between what he has made possible and what he has, himself, made. The prequels are what happens when he doesn't have anyone around him saying, "No, we can't do that, but let's take a little of that and do THIS."
I object to the pathological way he tries to re-write his own (and everyone else's) history and contributions. It is unseemly.
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« Reply #104 on: February 08, 2012, 06:45:23 AM » |
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Also, I was around for the Early Bird set; the merchandising was not "invented" by Lucas. It was an ad hoc process and grew organically from the demand, which they rushed to try to meet. Nobody knew it would be what it became. And that's fine. But to pretend AFTER the fact that he had it planned all along is what makes him odious. Which is what he does all the time. About everything.
That's bad bomben.
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