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« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2008, 08:33:11 AM »

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Also-- people DID actively hate Conan then, specifically because he was totally unknown. The prevailing thought was "Who the fuck is THIS guy? Why did they hand it to someone no one has ever heard of? He'll last a month."

So much so that I felt bad for him and made a point to watch the show regularly when it started, and even list watching it in my Neilson book on the days I missed it. (I was ALWAYS getting selected as a Neilson booklet-viewer.)


God...  Do you remember how BAD he was at the beginning.  Even back then I was amazed they let him keep going and gave him a chance to grow.
Imagine him starting now?  He would be lucky if he made it through the week.
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« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2008, 09:15:07 AM »

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There was also that awful brief period in daytime when the networks went daytime-talkshow/personality-show crazy, with Ricki Lake, Charles Perez. Gordon Whatshisname...



Gordon Elliot, formerly of A Current Affair and Good Day New York?    This fall I learned he's now a (daytime) Emmy-winning producer of series for Food Network.
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« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2009, 10:54:07 AM »

This is fascinating. Who's going to blink first?

http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2009/04/boston-station.html

Jay Leno bumped in Boston: A serious break in NBC's dam?
Apr 3, 2009, 12:39 PM | by Lynette Rice

Categories: TV Biz

NBC vows to stand its ground, and pull network affiliation, if necessary, if a Boston station insists on running a local newscast instead of the new Jay Leno show at 10 p.m. this fall, insiders say. WHDH-TV in Boston -- the seventh largest market in the country and the hometown to both Leno and Conan O'Brien --  rocked the TV industry last night with word that it didn't want to air a Monday-through-Friday program featuring the former Tonight Show host because "we don't think the Leno show is going to be effective in prime time," station owner Ed Ansin told a Boston newspaper Thursday. "It will be detrimental to our 11 o'clock. It will be very adverse to our finances." Ansin reportedly asked NBC if he could run Leno at 11 p.m. but was denied. He also claims his contract with NBC allows him to choose to preempt Leno in the fall. (EW could not reach Ansin this morning.)

NBC reacted swiftly with a barrage of threats from both its station and legal honchos. "That is absolutely wrong [about the affiliation contract]," NBC Universal General Counsel Rick Cotton said via a statement. "It is clear that WHDH is contractually required to air NBC programming as scheduled by the network."

Another statement, from NBC TV Network president John Eck, added: "WHDH's move is a flagrant violation of the terms of their contract. If they persist we will strip WHDH of its NBC affiliation. We have a number of other strong options in the Boston market, including using our existing broadcast license to launch an NBC owned and operated station."

The network has already looked into turning its Boston Telemundo station, WNEU, into an NBC affiliate. But WNEU doesn't have the same kind of reach as WHDH, which is the largest independently owned and operated NBC affiliate in the country. For now, it appears Ansin is not bowing to threats and will proceed without Leno in the fall (his plans are to run local news from 10-11:30 p.m. as a lead-in to O'Brien). The station's ratings for its 11 p.m. newscast have dropped in recent years and "we are already suffering from weak lead-ins [from network programming]," Ansin told the Boston Globe.

Insiders at competing networks all agreed that NBC can't give in to WHDH or it'll risk triggering "an avalanche" with its other affiliates. "If you allow a station to air Leno out of pattern [at 11], it'll open the floodgates," says one-high level suit at a competing Big Four network. "They have to act quickly. You have to believe that some other station will call up and say, 'You know what? We're doing it, too.'"

NBC does have other options, though they seem remote. The network could provide WHDH with financial incentives to keep Leno at 10, but again, that could snowball into an issue with other stations as well. It could also try to peddle the Leno show to the CBS-operated WSBK, an independent station in the market. Flipping the Telemundo station into a new NBC affiliate seems more likely -- even if the network risks the ire of Hispanic viewers (in response, NBC could keep some Spanish-language programming on the station).

But transferring affiliations in Boston may not be as easy as it sounds. The CW had its work cut out for it when it merged the UPN and WB networks a few years back. "It is really hard to convert an audience to a network," says another high-ranking exec. "It takes time. Even if NBC does find another station, it may pale in comparison."

It's unclear at this time whether Leno himself will appeal to the WHDH station owner, though he'll certainly be in shouting distance soon to try; an NBC insider says the late-night host is expected to make an appearance in Boston Monday to help out a local comedian.
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« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2009, 03:10:26 PM »

Drop Leno like a bad habit, please.
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« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2009, 03:13:06 PM »

ER's finale was depressing cause it reminded me of when NBC had a ton of good shows.
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« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2009, 11:35:57 PM »

I don't see why NBC would blink. They can just snag another station. With the way TV is changing, I think Leno's going to do well for NBC. Lower production costs and a show that's time sensitive and possible appointment TV depending on who the guest is will be a good thing for them.

I'm just pleased I get two more years of Friday Night Lights.
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« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2012, 08:30:57 PM »

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/nbc-brass-thinking-jay-leno-replacement-article-1.1220267

It begins again. See you on FX in a few years, Jimmy.
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« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2012, 09:18:54 PM »

"If there’s one thing I’ve learned from Dave and Conan, it’s that hosting this show is a one-way ticket to not hosting ‘The Tonight Show." - Fallon

It's interesting to me, because Jimmy doesn't see the Tonight Show as something something he covets. He said on Piers Morgan (where that above quote is from) that if they asked, he'd take it but it's not something he actively wants. I think he'd work better at 11:30 than Conan did. But equally so, I like him in his weird little show that he has now.
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« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2012, 10:08:13 PM »

Because Jimmy wanted to be in movies. He doesn't want to be a talk show host. He's miserable. After the 20 year debacle that is NBC late night, Jimmy Fallon being permanent host of The Tonight Show would be the rancid cherry finale on the whole sour sundae. And because of that, it's the most likely of scenarios.
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« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2012, 01:47:10 AM »

If Leno does step down in 2014, I hope those last four years were worth it to him. Now poor Conan's on a cable show that possibly literally nobody cares about and Jimmy Fallon gets to Gump his way into the big chair about 20 minutes after deciding to be a talk show host.   
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« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2012, 05:14:27 AM »

Because Jimmy wanted to be in movies. He doesn't want to be a talk show host. He's miserable.
Where'd you learn this? Every interview I've heard him give (particularly a couple long-form podcasts) he was nothing but effusive about his current career status, and he's not really that good of an actor.
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« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2012, 09:55:43 AM »

Seriously? He's not gonna say that out loud. It's not on a wikipedia. Some people don't get exactly what they want. He clearly wanted to be the next Adam Sandler with his movies and albums and his movies and albums tanked. Just because he's not that good of an actor doesn't mean he didn't want to be in successful comedies. He's a "nice guy" that tows the line and found a steady well paying gig but he never wanted a talk show.
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« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2012, 11:48:48 AM »

Have you seen Conan's web show? It does longer interviews with people he seems genuinely interested in and seems to enjoy himself. Here's one with Judd Apatow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4hUj75cS3E
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« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2012, 08:27:21 PM »

Not long after he started hosting the 12:30am show, I read an interview with Fallon where he said that he didn't like the process of making movies.  He'd be all ready to go but would then have to wait around for the crew to get ready, and when they were ready to go, whatever energy he had was gone.  Every now and then I watch his show, and he seems really comfortable on it now.  His very first show was uncomfortable to watch, but I saw some episodes over the summer and really enjoyed them.
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« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2012, 08:33:43 PM »

Not long after he started hosting the 12:30am show, I read an interview with Fallon where he said that he didn't like the process of making movies.  He'd be all ready to go but would then have to wait around for the crew to get ready, and when they were ready to go, whatever energy he had was gone.  Every now and then I watch his show, and he seems really comfortable on it now.  His very first show was uncomfortable to watch, but I saw some episodes over the summer and really enjoyed them.

Like anything, it takes time. Rachel Maddow was terrified the first few weeks of her show, now she's awesome. I can track when I first started dating my wife, because this new, unknown guy named "Conan O'Brien" was picked out of nowhere and it was big news, so we decided to watch and give him a chance. The show was super-funny with weird bits and skits, but he was the WORST with guests; it made you cringe. He too, got awesome. Hosting a show just takes lots of practice. Which is weird, when you think of Leno, because he's just as twitchy and nervous and bad at it as he was when he started. He's actually gotten worse.
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